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posted by [personal profile] the_dala at 10:47am on 06/04/2005
If I did send James to India around 1696-97, what might he and the Dauntless be doing there? Who would they kick the crap out of (not pirates, I'm hoping)? Where might the English stop to refresh their stores and take in the local color?
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posted by [identity profile] meletor-et-al.livejournal.com at 03:12pm on 06/04/2005
Ooh, and you ask me this when I left my MobileNerdLibrary at home!!

*flail*

I would say possibly ... envoy with a British East India Company merchant? Just off the top of my head.
And a stop in... ehhh... ooh it starts with a B. I mentioned it in PtT. India... B... I've got to run; bell.

Good luck! That was probably of no help whatsoever!
 
posted by [identity profile] cjk1701.livejournal.com at 04:53pm on 06/04/2005
Bengal? Bombay?
 
posted by [identity profile] tiggothy.livejournal.com at 05:08pm on 06/04/2005
*gets out her history of the British Empire book*

I'll let ya know any ideas I come up with ;-) - provided I don't get too caught up with the book y'know...

Okies, in relation with what Mel just said... yep, I'd agree about the whole protecting merchant shipping stuff...

Some extracts from me book...

"The economics of this early import trade [from India] were relatively simple... paid for their purchases in cash, using bullion earned from trade elsewhere rather than exchanging English goods for Indian. ... Getting the bullion out to India and the goods home again, even the transmission of orders to buy and sell, meant round trips of some twelve thousand miles, every mile made hazardous bu the chance of storms, shipwrecks and pirates.

The biggest threat of all, however, came not from ships flying the Jolly Roger. It came from other Euorpeans who were trying to do exactly the same thing. Asia was about to become the scene of a ruthless battle for market share.

This was to be globalisation with gunboats."


Now, the thing I've picked up on regarding the date you've got is that the nemy is not the Dutch. Yes, for most of the 17th century England was at war with Holland - however, this ceased in 1688 when we got rid of James II and asked William of Orange (generally known as the reign of William & Mary) to kindly take over. At this point an agreement was reached regarding trade with the Indies - the Dutch kept the spice trade, the English took over the textile trade.

Ok, so I'm being specific about it being the English East India Company here, when England & Scotland were united quite a while before... According to my book, in 1695 there was the founding of the "Company of Scotland Trading to Africa and the Indies" - a possibility there?

Anyhow, on to places... I'll just quote from the book 'coz I'm too lazy to re-phrase :-p

"The shift from spices to cloth also implied a relocation of the East India Company's Asian base. Surat was now gradually wound down. In its stead, three new 'factories' (as they were sometimes known) were established - fortified trading posts which today are among Asia's most populous cities. The first of these was on the south-east coast of India, the fabled shore of Coromandel. There, on a shore site acquired in 1630, the company built a fort which, as if to advertise its Englishness, was christened Fort St George. Around it would spring up the city of Madras. Just over thirty years later, in 1661, England acquired Bombay from Portugal as part of Charles II's dowry when he married Catherine of Braganza. Finally, in 1690, the company establisheda fort at Sutanuti on the east bank of the River Hugli. This was then amalgamated with two other villages to form a larger town renamed Calcutta."

Was it Bombay you were thinking of, Mel?

Anyhow, hope that helps a bit hun...
 
posted by [identity profile] tiggothy.livejournal.com at 05:14pm on 06/04/2005
dammit, all that typing and I used the wrong pic *grr*

ooops, and I forgot to say the book is "Empire" by Niall Ferguson (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0141007540/qid=1112807632/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_0/202-3476867-0313422)
 
posted by [identity profile] meletor-et-al.livejournal.com at 06:19pm on 06/04/2005
YES, Bombay. Thank you.
Yay Tigg.

After completely schooling me research-wise...
well if I'd had my books... and more than two minutes...

Anyway, that's hardly the point. The point is that we helped Dala! ...we did, right?
 
posted by [identity profile] tiggothy.livejournal.com at 06:40pm on 06/04/2005
Hope so... guess we'll have to wait to hear... anyhow, you're much better than me at this kind of stuff normally, it's just I only read the book the other month & it was right at hand...
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 10:31pm on 06/04/2005
I was thinking about the Dutch actually, so the reminder about the Glorious Revolution is especially useful. Thank you! :)
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 10:33pm on 06/04/2005
I so can't tell which comment I just replied to...anyway, you guys were helpful! Thanks! :)
 
posted by [identity profile] cjk1701.livejournal.com at 04:51pm on 06/04/2005
Erm. Some of the whalers were there in the South Seas. They were frequently pounced on by (sorry) pirates and privateers. There were also trading ships, and the above mentioned East India Company. Actually, there were several: British, Danish, Dutch and French. The Swedish was founded mid 1700s. There were frequent skirmishes between the Big Colonial Powers that were carried out by proxy by the respective colonised nations. Also, there were clashes between the British East India Company and the local still-independent Indians, which culminated in the 1757 battle of Plassey, but I don't know if the official British forces would have been involved in these, or just the company people. Uhm. Truly, the Caribbean was more important as a colony back then, because of the sugar trade. On the other hand, 1697 was the tail bit of the War of the Grand Alliance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Grand_Alliance), so England would have been at war with lots of people.

Uhm, I'm being absolutely unhelpful, aren't I?
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 10:35pm on 06/04/2005
Skirmishes between the European powers will work just fine -- it's only that I want James' first experience with piracy to be the attack on the merchant the prologue.

It's good to know that France is always there to antagonize :)

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