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posted by [personal profile] the_dala at 05:42pm on 10/07/2006 under
I'll get around to the most fabulous SitS recap soon enough, but I have a lot of Thoughts about The Movie, and it's going to take a loooong time to get them all down, and I can't read everybody else's thoughts until I do so, so first I'll start with the first two character analyses I wrote on the plane. A brief word about the film in general (I'll elaborate, don't you worry): This is the most unique moviegoing experience I've ever had. I have no lukewarm or ambivalent feelings. It wasn't good. It wasn't great. It was bloody brilliant, and over the next few posts I will tell you why.

To begin, as is inevitable:
Captain Jack Sparrow
Jack, like Norrington, is a different character to watch because of circumstances. Despite his dramatic entrance, from the moment our Jack appears onscreen, he's running scared and flying blind and other suitable metaphors for desperately trying and failing to get himself out of a mess. The compass is the key -- for the entirety of the film, Jack can't find his own heading. When he finally does, it's straight into the kraken's maw.

On first viewing, the portrayal of Jack did strike me as a little off. Where was our charming, manipulative little bastard always one step ahead of everyone else (whether they knew it or not)? But the more I think about it, the more I think the differences in Jack's actions and mindset in DMC are due to the differences between the CoBP villains -- Barbossa, chiefly, and to some small degree the Navy -- and the DMC villains, namely Davy Jones and the kraken (I suppose Beckett distantly registers, but he's hardly at the forefront of Jack's mind). Someone pointed out the fact that Jack spends the first movie chasing and the second movie running, and that's a very succinct way of putting it. Now, Barbossa was one scary dude, and undead to boot, but he was still a sea captain on a level with Jack, with the weaknesses and flaws of a man -- moreso, of a man that Jack knows rather well. Davy Jones is another story entirely. We have no idea if he was ever really human (at least, I don't remember any specific indications in the movie). He's much harder to trick or negotiate with than Barbossa; as much as Jack tries to weasel out of his debt, you never get the idea that he's going to get any concession more gracious than the demand of a hundred souls.

As for the kraken, I think it's plausible that it terrifies Jack more than Davy Jones. It's wholly inhuman, a creature of sheer appetite and destruction, which takes no note of Jack's silver tongue and painted eyes (or the Pearl's guns). The kraken cannot, as far as we have seen, be tricked or reasoned with at all, and it strikes at the very heart of Jack's nature -- his ship, his freedom. This is really what blows my mind about Davy Jones/the kraken: together, they drive Jack Sparrow from the sea. Being out of his element is a primary reason why Jack can't seem to land on his feet, and calls to mind the fanon notion that he truly is born to the sea and needs it to be himself. This, of course, makes it all the more poignant that his final, honourable choice of the sea/his ship/his crew is what kills him. Going with my connection to ESB, I like the parallels between Jack and Han Solo in terms of character development. Jack's redemptive act of coming back to the Pearl mirrors Han's coming back for Leia on Hoth. Also, both characters have to pay for their past sins in these middle films, at the hands of their so-called friends.

Like pretty much every performance in the first film, Johnny's revealed more subtlety beyond the Jack-is-clumsy and Jack-talks-real-fast gags that have carried over from CoPB on the second viewing, and I suspect will keep getting more interesting the more I see it. I can sort of see why some reviewers thought he might have overdone it, but I don't share their opinion because we still have moments like Jack taking the wheel from Gibbs during the kraken battle and his reaction to Elizabeth's betrayal to balance out "I've got a jar of dirr-rrrt" and Jack-the-human-fruit-kebab.

Overall, Jack in DMB is a believable and evolving portrayal of the Jack we know and love from CoBP, one that I haven't seen the fandom at large, myself included, explore in great detail over the past three years. Someone's set of My Jack traits -- I want to say [livejournal.com profile] doolabug's, but I'm not sure -- includes the idea that Jack is very smart, but not as smart as he thinks he is, and I think that perfectly sums up Jack in this film. He's waiting for or trying to force the opportune moment and it never comes. Jack is accustomed to playing off human nature and being the puppetmaster of himself and those around him; this film has cut the strings on him, and it gives him all kinds of interesting dimension.


Will Turner

Let me begin with this: In DMB, Will is so fucking hot I can't even stand it. Just...guh Will. He was the character who experienced the most significant growth in CoBP; one of the major expectations I had for this film was seeing how Will turned out (probably as much as Norrington, and moreso than Jack or Elizabeth), and it delivered in a big way. He's matured into a capable, confident man able to see in shades of gray rather than merely in black and white, and it's as beautiful to watch that as it is to watch him wield a sword. Or slash his way down a sail like fucking Captain Blood. He is so badass and such a terrific classic swashbuckling hero that he just makes me want to die. Think about it -- Will manages to find Jack where Norrington couldn't. I'll grant that it would be much easier for a dead sexy nondescript civilian to glean news of Jack than Norrington or any agent he might have used, but still, the point remains.

Will Turner has rocked my world since I really begin to Think about CoBP, and after this film I simply cannot understand anyone calling him boring or annoying. My particular favorite Will moments include -- well, most all of his time on the Flying Dutchman, but especially when he tricks Davy Jones into revealing where the key is kept and then steals it in a very stealthy, Jack-like manner (more on Jack's influence on Will later). Actually, much of my pleasure in Will's character comes from watching him interact with other characters, so that'll keep to other sections; even with the daddy issues, this film isn't nearly as much Will's journey as is the first one, and everything is more character-revelatory than character-evolving. It's almost like we're getting to know Will all over again, and it's great fun. Like I said, as much as I love Will's bluster and puppy faces in CoBP, DMC-Will hits my kinks with a big, heavy, throbbing wooden mallet...

Er, back on topic. I've always insisted that Orlando Bloom's performance in CoBP is much more skillful than it looks at first glance, and he's improved even more here; I think the actor's growth is inseperable from the character's growth, and I love that about them both. Orlando has learned better control over his face and Will has learned better control over his temper. At the same time, he's no Gary Stu; his love and regard for Elizabeth remains his biggest blindspot, and I love when he makes this insane logical leap from the Pearl being able to outrun the Dutchman to the Pearl being able to take Davy Jones and his triple guns down in battle, because -- kid, sometimes you're still crazy dumb. Also the fact that he doesn't see Norrington's attack coming is very in-character too.

Did I mention the embroidered waistcoat (which is not, in fact, his wedding vest as I thought, but it's awfully fancy all the same) and the leather. Coat? Eh?

So everyone get home okay? ::waves::
Mood:: 'cheerful' cheerful
Music:: 'the notebook' on tv
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posted by [identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com at 09:56pm on 10/07/2006
character-revelatory than character-evolving
That's exactly my thought as well.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 03:25am on 12/07/2006
::thumps on head:: Man, this movie -- SO MANY thoughts...
 
posted by [identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com at 03:27am on 12/07/2006
*unscrews your head, shakes thoughts out onto the internet, puts your head back*

Does that help?
 
posted by [identity profile] veronica-rich.livejournal.com at 09:56pm on 10/07/2006
And did you notice that the black leather coat HAD to come from somewhere on the Pearl?? Will didn't start out from Port Royal with that thing.

I, too, loved Will in this one. (Of course, I've given Orlando credit all along for not being a big piece of wood - I'll laugh myself sick if Lisa Schwartzbaum is still the critic for Entertainment Weekly if he's eventually nominated for an Oscar some years down the road.) What cracks me up, personally, is how with the first movie, there were reviewers who described his performance exactly like wood, and I got annoyed - this time, I'm not even a little bit annoyed. He was THAT good, that I feel no need to argue my point. I simply KNOW it.

I'll have to post more on Jack in my own LJ later, but suffice it to say, I think he's found his OTP at last with that damn jar of dirt.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 03:26am on 12/07/2006
And did you notice that the black leather coat HAD to come from somewhere on the Pearl?? Will didn't start out from Port Royal with that thing.

This is on my fic plate, actually :)

I've had enough of the reviewers for this one, frankly.
 
posted by [identity profile] torn-eledhwen.livejournal.com at 10:22pm on 10/07/2006
Wonderfully-put. I just got back from viewing #2 myself, and I agree Depp's performance seems more subtle the second time around. I loved it first time, but I was looking for layers tonight and I found them. When he's talking to Elizabeth he's pretty serious then. He's fixed on her, his eyes don't wander, he's making a serious point. And when he's rowing from the Pearl there's real pain there - he doesn't want to leave her.

I'll always be a Sparrow fan, but I also agree that DMC Will is superb. :)
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 03:26am on 12/07/2006
It gets even better on a third viewing :)
 
posted by (anonymous) at 03:14am on 11/09/2006
and a fourth ;)
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 03:28am on 12/07/2006
HARRRRRT.

You'll be seeing me around a lot, mate. You attract the meta, and I am going all meta on this baby.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 03:29am on 12/07/2006
::hoggles:: Thank you again for the room, and for everything. And I forgot to say goodbye to Estel! I hope you guys are having good times.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 03:30am on 12/07/2006
Gracias ::pokes your thoughts::
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posted by [identity profile] nonniemous.livejournal.com at 02:40am on 12/07/2006
Here via [livejournal.com profile] fabu's posts on DMC, and a rather lackadaisical Pirates fan...

Word. What you said about both Will and Orlando Bloom. I adored Jack throughout the first viewings of CotBP, but further viewings cemented my love for Will--and my admiration for Orlando Bloom. He's the straight man caught between two pirates, and it would be easy enough for him to be overwhelmed by either Depp or Knightly--but he never is. He holds his own with both of them, singly or together. It's a damn good actor that can do that.

I think DMC Will is my favorite yet; he was the one thing I unabashedly loved about the movie from the get go. Favorite line? Will, showing up on the island (didn't catch the name) where Davy Jones's heart is buried. "HOw did you get here." "Sea turtles, Jack." OMG! LOVE how that boy has grown up.

And did you see the nod to his faux pas in CotBP? When he and Weatherby are visiting Elizabeth in jail, it's the Governor who accidently pulls the sconce off the wall. Just who is out of his element, here? And it's a lovely foreshadowing of the maturity Will's character shows throughout the movie.

ahem. ;-) I'll go babble elsewhere now...
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 03:31am on 12/07/2006
Hi! Feel free to stick around and babble at whatever -- I've got lots more up my sleeve :)
 
posted by [identity profile] jenlan.livejournal.com at 07:02am on 12/07/2006
I am glad to read such a positive review of the movie. Seems everyone kept thinking the characters were all OOC or something when personally I didn't see it. I loved it and clearly enough people loved it to make it a record-breaking opening weekend. So HAH! ^_^

If my brain wasn't so tired right now, I'd give a more intelligent response. As it is, I agree overall with what you are saying...while I might never be a major Will or Elizabeth fan, I do feel they have developed well in this 2nd movie...OK...that's all...brain has signed off, pretty much!
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 09:49pm on 13/07/2006
I loved it so intensely that I seem to be attempting to make everyone else love it with forceful meta :)
 
posted by [identity profile] jenlan.livejournal.com at 02:46am on 14/07/2006
Hurray! *cheers you on and encourages your attempts* We must make them all love the movie! ^_^
 
posted by [identity profile] sinister-beauty.livejournal.com at 07:43am on 13/07/2006
DMC Will is essentially the type of sexy that Beezlebub sends down to earth just to torment unsuspecting fangirls like ourselves into the special hell.

And Norrington. Beezelebub thinks he's way shiny too.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 09:50pm on 13/07/2006
Oh, we are *so* going to the special hell...
 
posted by [identity profile] sinister-beauty.livejournal.com at 10:27pm on 13/07/2006
But that's where all our friends are. SO really, it can't be THAT bad.

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