posted by
the_dala at 10:35pm on 12/07/2006 under meta: pirates of the caribbean
Elizabeth is up, and I'm afraid my thoughts are a bit more disjointed, because I love the girl but she spins me around in circles.
Elizabeth Swann
When I first saw the trailer for DMC, I thought the shots of Elizabeth in her yellow dress in the rain were heart-stoppingly beautiful. I also thought she was sitting in a graveyard (at Weatherby's grave, to be precise, so I am doubly glad to see he's made it through more or less intact). When the lights went down, these shots were in the opening sequence and that was her wedding dress as I'd thought -- yet there was clearly no grave. But the visual mourning metaphor still fits, and bookends neatly with Elizabeth at the end of the movie, when she truly is in mourning.
In the first film, it was established that both Elizabeth and Will, despite their altruistic qualities (Elizabeth does negotiate with Barbossa to leave Port Royal alone, after all) are ruthless in their desire to protect one another. The difference is that Elizabeth is better at it. Will tries to manipulate Jack and Barbossa, and both plans fail. Elizabeth learns from her own failed attempt to deal with Barbossa, and then goes for two easier targets: the man who loves her and wants to believe she loves him in return, and a rum-soaked, wobbly-legged, eventually slumbering Jack. Elizabeth? Is good at piracy. What's more, she knows it (and so does Jack, but that's for another entry). I've seen the complaint that the whole 'No, he's a pirate' line indicates how little Elizabeth has learned during the course of the first movie, but I disagree. She got a real taste of pirates during her time with Barbossa and his crew, and if she still retained all her romantic notions she wouldn't try to deny and fight her own nature.
Piracy both intrigues and frightens Elizabeth, and so does the idea of marriage. In the expression on her face in that first scene and the rain mussing her bridal gown, I see her fear over marrying Will -- the fear of losing what little freedom she has, the fear of losing herself, the fear of failing him. In her line 'I thought I'd be married by now...I was so ready to be married' (or is it 'I'm so ready to be married'? I can't tell, but it doesn't really change the meaning of the line...) I see her hope that marriage will dampen down her darker urges. Notice that she doesn't mention his name, just the state of being married. Loving Will isn't ever really the issue; it's what she is willing to risk or give up for that love.
Elizabeth is torn between freedoms and confinements. Marrying Will frees her from the temptations of her darker side-- maybe -- but confines her to a life at his side, a life whose twists and turns she's really just as unsure about as those of piracy.(1) This is also ironic because her love for Will is exactly what has brought out her darker side in the past. In this movie, she seems to be exploring a bit on her own, not merely reacting on behalf of Will's safety.
Now, indulging those darker urges offers freedom, the freedom which Jack embodies and to which the compass is drawn (I think Jack's speech about the Pearl and freedom in CoBP pretty well cements Jack=freedom in her mind; the connection is never once played as simple physical attraction, even though the stupider of the critics seem to interpret it so). However, the consequences of those choices -- that's where the confinement is there, as inevitable as the confinement she fears in marriage.
Jack lies and omits the truth and tells it when he knows no one will see it as such, but Elizabeth hardly ever speaks without not saying what she means. I hear all of the above uncertainties and fears beneath the line about being ready for marriage, and I hear guilt for her own role in the business under 'James Norrington, what has the world done to you?', and I hear disappointment when she praises Jack for respecting her honor. Perhaps most importantly, beneath 'I'm not sorry,' I hear 'I can't allow myself to be sorry, because if I question the choice I've finally made, I won't be able to live in my own skin.' Elizabeth's extraordinary bravery and self-assurance go hand-in-hand with her cowardice and doubt regarding her own path.
I love -- love -- the complexity of this character, and Keira's performance was endlessly satisfying. There's the great comic acting at the beginning of the threesome swordfight, and there's the longing and desperation and urgency of her kissing Jack, and then there's my favorite -- the scene at Tia Dalma's where what she has done is tearing her up inside, despite how she's been trying to deny it. The sheer physical pain on Keira's face during that scene, and her eyes when she says 'Yes' instead of 'Aye' -- I enjoyed her immensely in CoBP, but she had completely blown me away come the end credits of DMC.
(1) One of the fics I reeeeeally want to write is Elizabeth insisting on getting married after killing Jack (and Will giving in because -- because god, he's Will and she's Elizabeth and there is absolutely nothing the boy can do to change that). Problem is I don't know how to get the deed done -- first I thought Will could marry them because he'd be voted captain in Jack's stead (and he would be, he so would be), but then I remembered they don't have a ship, and anyway I don't think it's possible before that scene in Tia Dalma's. But then that leaves me with Barbossa, and I just don't know if Elizabeth could bring herself to do it. Ah well. Maybe they could get Tia Dalma to do it, or maybe a new crew member was once a pastor. I'll figure it out, because I want Elizabeth to throw herself into marriage in an attempt to dissociate herself from 'Pirate.'
Again, more to come in the character interaction sections, after James and the villains get their turn
Meg would like me to add this: "Megan strongly disagrees to what I am typing, even though she has no idea what my analysis contains. What a surly, contrary bitch." Her words, not mine.
Elizabeth Swann
When I first saw the trailer for DMC, I thought the shots of Elizabeth in her yellow dress in the rain were heart-stoppingly beautiful. I also thought she was sitting in a graveyard (at Weatherby's grave, to be precise, so I am doubly glad to see he's made it through more or less intact). When the lights went down, these shots were in the opening sequence and that was her wedding dress as I'd thought -- yet there was clearly no grave. But the visual mourning metaphor still fits, and bookends neatly with Elizabeth at the end of the movie, when she truly is in mourning.
In the first film, it was established that both Elizabeth and Will, despite their altruistic qualities (Elizabeth does negotiate with Barbossa to leave Port Royal alone, after all) are ruthless in their desire to protect one another. The difference is that Elizabeth is better at it. Will tries to manipulate Jack and Barbossa, and both plans fail. Elizabeth learns from her own failed attempt to deal with Barbossa, and then goes for two easier targets: the man who loves her and wants to believe she loves him in return, and a rum-soaked, wobbly-legged, eventually slumbering Jack. Elizabeth? Is good at piracy. What's more, she knows it (and so does Jack, but that's for another entry). I've seen the complaint that the whole 'No, he's a pirate' line indicates how little Elizabeth has learned during the course of the first movie, but I disagree. She got a real taste of pirates during her time with Barbossa and his crew, and if she still retained all her romantic notions she wouldn't try to deny and fight her own nature.
Piracy both intrigues and frightens Elizabeth, and so does the idea of marriage. In the expression on her face in that first scene and the rain mussing her bridal gown, I see her fear over marrying Will -- the fear of losing what little freedom she has, the fear of losing herself, the fear of failing him. In her line 'I thought I'd be married by now...I was so ready to be married' (or is it 'I'm so ready to be married'? I can't tell, but it doesn't really change the meaning of the line...) I see her hope that marriage will dampen down her darker urges. Notice that she doesn't mention his name, just the state of being married. Loving Will isn't ever really the issue; it's what she is willing to risk or give up for that love.
Elizabeth is torn between freedoms and confinements. Marrying Will frees her from the temptations of her darker side-- maybe -- but confines her to a life at his side, a life whose twists and turns she's really just as unsure about as those of piracy.(1) This is also ironic because her love for Will is exactly what has brought out her darker side in the past. In this movie, she seems to be exploring a bit on her own, not merely reacting on behalf of Will's safety.
Now, indulging those darker urges offers freedom, the freedom which Jack embodies and to which the compass is drawn (I think Jack's speech about the Pearl and freedom in CoBP pretty well cements Jack=freedom in her mind; the connection is never once played as simple physical attraction, even though the stupider of the critics seem to interpret it so). However, the consequences of those choices -- that's where the confinement is there, as inevitable as the confinement she fears in marriage.
Jack lies and omits the truth and tells it when he knows no one will see it as such, but Elizabeth hardly ever speaks without not saying what she means. I hear all of the above uncertainties and fears beneath the line about being ready for marriage, and I hear guilt for her own role in the business under 'James Norrington, what has the world done to you?', and I hear disappointment when she praises Jack for respecting her honor. Perhaps most importantly, beneath 'I'm not sorry,' I hear 'I can't allow myself to be sorry, because if I question the choice I've finally made, I won't be able to live in my own skin.' Elizabeth's extraordinary bravery and self-assurance go hand-in-hand with her cowardice and doubt regarding her own path.
I love -- love -- the complexity of this character, and Keira's performance was endlessly satisfying. There's the great comic acting at the beginning of the threesome swordfight, and there's the longing and desperation and urgency of her kissing Jack, and then there's my favorite -- the scene at Tia Dalma's where what she has done is tearing her up inside, despite how she's been trying to deny it. The sheer physical pain on Keira's face during that scene, and her eyes when she says 'Yes' instead of 'Aye' -- I enjoyed her immensely in CoBP, but she had completely blown me away come the end credits of DMC.
(1) One of the fics I reeeeeally want to write is Elizabeth insisting on getting married after killing Jack (and Will giving in because -- because god, he's Will and she's Elizabeth and there is absolutely nothing the boy can do to change that). Problem is I don't know how to get the deed done -- first I thought Will could marry them because he'd be voted captain in Jack's stead (and he would be, he so would be), but then I remembered they don't have a ship, and anyway I don't think it's possible before that scene in Tia Dalma's. But then that leaves me with Barbossa, and I just don't know if Elizabeth could bring herself to do it. Ah well. Maybe they could get Tia Dalma to do it, or maybe a new crew member was once a pastor. I'll figure it out, because I want Elizabeth to throw herself into marriage in an attempt to dissociate herself from 'Pirate.'
Again, more to come in the character interaction sections, after James and the villains get their turn
Meg would like me to add this: "Megan strongly disagrees to what I am typing, even though she has no idea what my analysis contains. What a surly, contrary bitch." Her words, not mine.
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And captain!Will; Captain Turner. Oooh. I'll be in my bunk.
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I was also thinking Cotton, but I'm iffy on how he would be able to explain himself.
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I think the men in her life indicates where Elizabeth is at. Norrington followed the rules of the law, and desperately wants to enforce it again. Will broke the law but followed an honor code. Jack does whatever benefits him, and rules are hassles that he ignores. At the end, Elizabeth is caught between Will and Jack. Caught between honor and desire. Perhaps she can redemn her honor before she losses it and Will forever.
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1. No book ends
2. No book ends
3. Never Kill the dog
4. Always save the Kiss till last.
5. (to the audience) feel free to disagree with what we choose to do.
.......you sure thats what they really meant with the begining and ending scenes?
I feel it may have been suggesting how Liz feels about married life..which is pretty much not a future she really wants.
I could be wrong though.
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but she is IN LOVE with jack.. By the end of movie 2 she realizes this and all her denial and fear of her feelings for him bubble up to a climax.. So much so that jack becomes a DANGEROUS possibility to her. So she removes the threat by chaining him up.
The first Kiss was halted for a reason peeps. It was halted so that things could only get worse in Liz's mind when it came to Jack. Had she got the kiss on the deck earlier the ending WOULD NOT have happened the way it did. Disney needed to add in that disruption so Liz’s over the top actions in the end could be justified.
And this brings up the whole Tia and stolen “Barbossa ring” theory of mine but its sooooo long that I cant be bothered to get into it lol.
Basically I feel Tia is using her knowledge of the characters feelings for each other, her knowledge of the future and her voodoo magic to create the Will/Davy destiny
.,…why you say? Well in my opinion it is to GET DAVY BACK FOR GOOD…I think she is his Calypso…if Tia thinks she can make Will the new captain of the flying Dutchman by cutting his heart out…then Davy can be free to return to her for good….
I mean COME ON. She had INK all round her mouth and teeth.. Davy = Octopus = INK remember? Lol Davy probably doesn’t know that she is his lost Calypso..just yet…
Still just a theory of mine. Could be wrong
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I think she loves Will...not a passionate I will kill myself if we ever go our separate ways love...but like Jack she loves freedom more:)
or so runs through my mind on this Saturday morning...
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Thnk you for the thoughts :)
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Also did you notice the whole hat thing in movie 2? Jack loses his beloved hat and is in a great sense of confusion as to what he really wants and then Liz appears dressed very similar to him but sporting a hat that looks remarkably like his lost one. It’s also not the same hat she was wearing on the ship to hide from the men. Her first hat was a straw hat. This new hat appears out of nowhere and there is no explanation as to why she has it on as soon as she meets Jack. It stands out a lot when ever she is around Jack.
Its very interesting when Just before he meets her there is that whole scene in Tortuga where he is trying on lots of different hats and is unsatisfied. He leaves with nothing. Then hello hello Liz appears basically wearing his hat.
It’s almost as if it’s hinting that SHE is the missing part of Jack. She is what he needs to feel complete as a man. His confusion settles once she appears I notice.
What I also find funny. Is that he gets it back as soon as Liz comes down to his level at the end. That’s the only part in the movie where she's not wearing it when around him. (basically symbolizing that he has won her emotions over. She’s afraid that she loves him.) Then he gets it back as soon as he has her where he wants her lol. Meaning he has found the missing part of himself in Liz possibly?
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I too, also had this idea, and I want Barbossa to marry them. He's a captain too, after all.
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"what is will going to DO with that knife if things only get worse between him and Liz?"
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Yes I agree with you on the whole Will's ruthless side coming out. Jack said it best himself in movie 1:
something along the lines of:
"you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest...Its the HONEST ones you need to watch out for. You can never predict when they are going to do something incredibly STUPID"
never trust the most honest character. Will is going to do something really stupid and bad in the next movie. He might not be the loveable character everyone likes towards the end..
I don’t actually agree with the Will/Liz pairing. Mainly because this Will/Davy destiny thing the director is leaning towards and has actually said it’s going to be a main theme in the next movie. We all know what Davy did over the loss of his uncontrollable fiancé (sea Goddess Calypso)...the only way that can be triggered off is if Liz chooses Jack over Will. There are so many clues that this is going to happen but I feel his father will save Will before he des something really silly..He saved will twice from a doomed destiny in the most recent movie. Disney added that in because its going to be repeated later on a much larger scale.....
Liz isn’t not going to want the married life with Will in my opinion. There are too many hints and clues suggesting that she’s already running away from marriage.
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"Divine Intervention"
Two words that I feel are MAJORLY overlooked by audiences when Ragetti mentions them.
think about it :D
TIA.. is playing EVERYONE. She's playing Jack, Liz, Will, Norringon, Beckett and Davy.. Trust me..go back and study every crucial twist and decision in the movie..Tia can be linked back to EVERYTHING!
I feel that Tia is the sea goddess Calypso in disguise and Davy Jones’s Fiancé who ran away (yes there is a whole calypso theme in the next movie)...She is divinity who is intervening to make things play out how SHE wants them to...for her own personal gain..
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Tia Dalma as divine...interesting!
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Once again. I apologize.