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what does it all MEAN, basil?

posted by [personal profile] the_dala at 09:27am on 05/12/2006
I have a general fandom-related question and a fandom-adjacent question.

1. What is the exact definition of "scenery-chewing"? I've always assumed that it means over-acting or hamming it up; is that basically it? (And if so, where does it come from? The literal meaning of it doesn't make sense to me.)

2. I know what it means to be jossed. Basically everything I've ever written was jossed by DMC. But does anyone know what, specifically, in the Jossverse led to the germination of this term? I always thought it came from Joss's willingness/tendency to kill off main characters unexpectedly; Is it as old as Jenny Calender's death (that's who immediately comes to mind when I think of Joss unexpectedly killing off a main character)?
Mood:: 'curious' curious
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posted by [personal profile] afra_schatz at 02:37pm on 05/12/2006
IMO it's not just killing off a main character unexpectedly but refers more generally to Joss's talent to mess up canon/fanon by rather unpredictabily introducing new information - I don't know whether it origined in the killing off thing, though... sorry not much help I'm afraid.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 02:40am on 06/12/2006
No, it helped :) I really don't know why I always associated it with the killing off thing...
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posted by [identity profile] disc-sophist.livejournal.com at 03:43pm on 05/12/2006
I've always wondered about the scenery-chewing, and the best explanation I could find was a late 19th-century novel that used it in reference to someone over-emotionally "turning his chin loose". Babbling and mouth-moving so unrestrained that he might end up actually biting the scenery. Still not 100% sure though.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 02:44am on 06/12/2006
Hmmm. Interesting! It makes a certain degree of sense, I'm just surprised it's so old a reference. Thanks!
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posted by [identity profile] penknife.livejournal.com at 06:49pm on 05/12/2006
I think "Jossed" refers not so much to Whedon's tendency to kill characters as to his tendency to retcon already established facts or introduce new and fanon-destroying backstory. I think this first came up over the Spike backstory in "Fool for Love" that Jossed just about everyone's assumptions about how Spike became a vampire, but I couldn't tell you for sure.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 02:59am on 06/12/2006
Gotcha. And I had completely forgotten "Fool for Love" -- there was all that hullabaloo about Drusilla and not Angel being Spike's sire. Thanks! :)
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posted by [identity profile] jaekayelle.livejournal.com at 07:50pm on 05/12/2006
What [personal profile] penknife said.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 02:59am on 06/12/2006
Thankee :)
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posted by [identity profile] subversivecynic.livejournal.com at 08:16pm on 05/12/2006
The first time I heard the word 'jossed' used was of a fic written before and after "suprise/innocence".

All everybody else said, about how he has the overwhelming tendency to believably but consistently upset the basic premises of his world.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 03:00am on 06/12/2006
::nods:: Infuriating man :) Thanks!
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 03:00am on 06/12/2006
The reference disc_sophist quoted is really interesting. It makes sense as a concept, it's just such a weird term.
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