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posted by [personal profile] the_dala at 05:25pm on 19/05/2013
So I'll post about the race later, but I just saw Trek again and have to jot some things down before I forget them. I went in with some of the criticism I've been reading in mind, and...I still loved it. I don't know. It makes me happy in the fannish place.

A bunch of stuff I picked up on the second time around:

--Caught the line about "the Mudd incident" and giggled. Oh, Harry Mudd.

--When Bones stops Kirk before they get on the shuttle to Enterprise: "I'm fine, Bones." "The hell you are." HE'S BEING A GOOD SPACE BOYFRIEND, JIM, LET HIM LOVE YOU. It's a small but very shippy moment. This is...relevant to things I want to write.

--Yet another adorable Kirk/Uhura(/Bones/Spock) moment: when Bones and Carol are working on the missile and Bones drops the line about the Gorn delivery, Kirk and Uhura both kind of grin and roll their eyes. And then, after Bones is okay, and Uhura puts her hand on Jim's shoulder, she then immediately goes to Spock. I LOVE THEM SO MUCH.

--The space scenes are so, so beautiful. I could watch the Enterprise go to warp (or rise majestically out of various elements) every single day.

--The bar scene with Kirk and Pike: when Pike says he wants Kirk as his first officer, you can see the emotion rise in Kirk's eyes, then he abruptly turns his face away for a moment to hide it. A+ for the lovely subtle little moment, Mr. Pine.

--I get where Uhura lost the Klingons: when she said "You're in danger." A Klingon patrol in danger from a puny human, and this even punier human thinks they need her help? That's why he attacked her.

--There's a moment where Khan says "crew" and Cumberbatch's mouth pulls into a perfect V, like a Joker smile, and it is so fucking unsettling, my god that man's face

--I love that Spock and Kirk reach the conclusion that Khan is not on the up-and-up independently but simultaneously. Spock by research: he calls up Old Spock on the spacephone. Kirk by intuition while they're fighting - I was wondering about that, but this time I realized that Khan beats his opponents and calmly watches while Kirk and Scotty are still getting beat down instead of intervening. I assume that's what Kirk picks up on. That is a really nice bit of characterization in the midst of all the action.

--Criticisms I take to heart: the "KHAAAAN!" is out of place and it does lessen some of the impact of the death scene, though no one in my theater laughed, thank god. And the tribble scene...the easiest way to avoid it would've been to add a quick scene/line with Bones reading up on "John Harrison" and realizing what he did for Noel Clarke's daughter, using that as the callback instead (because I'm willing to bet a lot of the audience forgot about it by then - I'll admit I did). However, if they wanted the tribble scene, it should not have been shoehorned into that conversation with Khan where it is extremely awkward and obvious.

--Other things I would've cut: some of the Klingon fight and about half of the fisticuffs with Khan. They did not need to jump onto the second random flying thing. The other long action setpieces - the race through the bowels of the Enterprise (which is a lovely callback to Kirk and Scotty doing it in the first film), the opening scene, and the space dive are actually pretty tight.

--Speaking of the Klingon fight: what HAPPENED to Cupcake and the other security guy? Did they get killed? I was trying to keep track of them, but everything was so dark that I lost them. And I didn't see them later in the security team that marches Khan around. If so that's an annoying gaffe, and RIP Cupcake and friend.

--Speaking of the Spock-Khan fisticuffs, LOVED Spock using the mind meld offensively to disorient Khan. Has Trek ever done that before? I honestly don't know/remember.

--Khan stomping Carol's knee made me sick to my stomach, way worse than his crushing people's skulls. Just, ugh, I can't even though about it. But I loved her "Do you?" at Bones when he asked her if she got seasick.

--I'm kind of charmed by the idea of an absent-minded professor type personality for Carol, mostly based on her continuing to monologue at Kirk while she's undressing and "Turn around. Now!" Can't you just see her getting caught up in experiments and accidentally lighting shit on fire or whatever, and being all "according to my research" about it? Obviously Christine needs to transfer back to the Enterprise (to be with her girlfriend) and Janice needs to get onboard too (...to also be girlfriends? Blonde OT3!)

--Khan being refrozen at the end=obvious homage to Raiders of the Lost Ark; even if it didn't make much sense, it's JJ through and through.

--I caught the voices while Kirk is waking up, this time - you can hear George saying "Let's name him Jim, Winona saying "George!" and Pike saying...oh fuck, I think it was "I believe in you, Jim" but I'm not entirely certain. This also plays into something I need to write so it pleases me immensely.

Now I really need to see it in 2D (I took my dad and he loves 3D for some unfathomable reason). Preferably at the Air and Space Museum, where it is on a massive IMAX screen and yet in 2D. Perfect. And the soundtrack comes out on Tuesday, yay.

Back to writing!
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posted by [identity profile] sangueuk.livejournal.com at 09:36pm on 19/05/2013
I love your thoughts so hard! Defo reference to Raiders, I liked that, and how about the ref to Blade Runner with the head crushing of Admiral Marcus?

I love your Carol as nutty professor!

And, yeah, what DID happen to Cupcake and his mate?
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 09:45pm on 19/05/2013
I have reached the picking-apart stage of Things I Love. Usually it's details that just make me love it more, but sometimes it's a bit that will bug me until the end of time (I am still annoyed about one single line reading Orlando Bloom made in Pirates, for example :) If I can't figure out Cupcake's fate, that'll be it.
 
posted by [identity profile] veronica-rich.livejournal.com at 01:49am on 20/05/2013
Which Will line was it? I probably knew but its been 10 years and I've forgotten ...
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 01:05am on 21/05/2013
Where Will is springing Jack from jail and Jack asks if he wants to turn pirate himself, and Will clutches the bars and goes "NEVER!" It's so over the top and intense, and it makes me facepalm for Orlando every time (and you know I otherwise love his acting in the PotC movies).
 
posted by [identity profile] veronica-rich.livejournal.com at 02:38am on 21/05/2013
Oh, I know what you mean; it doesn't bother me, but I see what you're talking about. I think because it's so early on and we haven't seen much of Will yet to establish his character, so I think Bloom still had a chance to save it. :-D
 
posted by [identity profile] evilgiraff.livejournal.com at 01:08pm on 20/05/2013
I concur! I saw it for the second time yesterday, and I still love it and all the little shippy moments. The voices in Kirk's head are superb - and brilliant fic-fodder. And the Bones-gets-eaten-by-a-torpedo scene is completely superb, particularly for Jim's response of waiting until there's no time at all left, because he can't countenance Bones' death. The way Jim sags afterwards is perfect.

And yes, Bones is the perfect space boyfriend. Jim needs to lighten up and let himself be looked after. I loved how Bones just does the physical from the back seat instead, though.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 01:12am on 21/05/2013
"Bones, get that thing off my face" and he doesn't even pause, aha. I did think on first viewing that they were going somewhere with Kirk's diminished vitals, like he was sick or something.
 
posted by [identity profile] cordelianne.livejournal.com at 06:01pm on 20/05/2013
I've also seen it twice now and enjoyed catching new moments. Thanks for pointing out Uhura's hand on Kirk's shoulder when Bones is okay - that was a great moment!

the "KHAAAAN!" is out of place and it does lessen some of the impact of the death scene
I agree. Although now I've taken to employing that - especially with the overdramatic-ness - for annoying things at work. It does make me feel better!

I also had been looking for Cupcake and his friend. In my mind, they're fine and we just didn't see them returning to the ship. I've determined they couldn't escort Khan because they were clearly changing back into their red shirts.

I've only seen it in 2D so don't know if 3D is worth it. I'd be interested to know what you think once you've seen it both ways.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 01:16am on 21/05/2013
There are moments in life that call for a cry of KHAAAAAAN!, for sure.

I am totally willing to believe Cupcake and friend survived, just like the split-second shot of a green-skinned girl with red hair on the Enterprise is obviously Gaila (Gaila! <3). But it's a huge gaffe if they simply disappear and aren't either killed or saved onscreen, the kind that doesn't usually make it into a blockbuster film. Have to pay more attention next time...

The 3D is pretty good, honestly, I just resent paying the higher ticket price. And I always forget that it's best to sit near the back so the big ole IMAX screen doesn't flood your senses too badly. The second time I sat further back and it was much better.
 
posted by [identity profile] norfolkdumpling.livejournal.com at 06:26pm on 20/05/2013
Yes - where is Cupcake???!!!

The bar scene with Kirk and Pike: when Pike says he wants Kirk as his first officer, you can see the emotion rise in Kirk's eyes, then he abruptly turns his face away for a moment to hide it

This scene made me tear up even before Pike was brutally taken away from me. *sniffle*

Pike saying...oh fuck, I think it was "I believe in you, Jim" but I'm not entirely certain.

It was Pike's dialogue from the first film. The "your father was captain of a Starship for 12 minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's and yours. I dare you to do better" bit.

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Edited Date: 2013-05-20 06:27 pm (UTC)
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 01:18am on 21/05/2013
Ah, that was it, thank you! I was listening for George and Winona for fic purposes :)

The Cupcake thing is REALLY bothering me, heh. I'm gonna have to rewatch sooner rather than later just to solve that mystery.
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posted by [identity profile] janice-lester.livejournal.com at 02:30am on 21/05/2013
Did you see the seated security officer in the brig scene with the blonde beehive hair? Janice Rand may already be aboard. :-)
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 02:03am on 22/05/2013
Ahhh I missed her! Will have to spot at next viewing :)

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