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Dear LJ, I am on a super intense acid flashback trip for Pirates of the Caribbean right now.

Part of this is probably prompted by finally actually visiting the Caribbean. Part of it is not having a lot of active fannish feelings at the moment. Part of it is definitely plain old nostalgia, for PotC fandom and LJ-based fandom both, as they are pretty much equally dead.

But my god, what a ride. It hit me at exactly the right time: I was in college, when the muscle that is the human brain is at its most consistently and rigorously exercised. Going back through my old fic blows my mind; the words just fucking poured out. Sometimes I'd have 10 or 12 or 15 separate fic posts in a single month. We wrote endless stories and beautiful earnest bullshit meta that I still enjoy all these years later. I wrote EVERYTHING, even the one juggernaut pairing I argued against, and the characters who basically functioned as a punchline in the actual script. I mean, Jack and Will and Elizabeth and Norrington - I loved those characters, they became a part of my soul. Norrington's death in AWE - the only thing I can compare it to is when I saw Where the Red Fern Grows as a small child and it was the first time I ever cried over something not directly related to myself. That's how much it hurt.

And the friends I made - that helped me so much when I had trouble making friends IRL. My roommate and I formed an unshakable bond because maybe she was a conservative Christian fundamentalist but we both adored those pirates. It wasn't my first fannish experience, but it was the most singular for sure. Even at its largest it was self-contained, and even with some divided opinions on the sequels, we sure did have a glorious time playing in the sandbox prior to that (and after, even if it wasn't quite the same).

And the movie itself! Remember how Johnny Depp created such a fantastic iconic character despite Disney's doubts, and how great the action was (BOB FUCKING ANDERSON DID THE CHOREOGRAPHY), and how funny and clever and sharp the dialogue was, and how beautiful the seascapes and ships were, and how we all thought Jack Davenport was going to be the Next Big Thing. There was a week in the summer of 2004 when I was writing a fic for a challenge that was an AU reworking of CoBP, and I watched that goddamned movie twenty-two (22) times. In one week. That's not an approximation; I actually counted.

I guess my point is...I don't really have a point. I wish we could bring it back, all of it. I want to finish the handful of WIPs that were really important to me (that would be Brothers In Arms, Keeping Faith, and Other Side of the World), and I wish they would actually get read and enjoyed 8-10 years later. I want to be that creative girl who loved a story so fiercely.

If you are still there, PotC fans, feel free to share your memories and your fic recs.
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posted by [identity profile] veronica-rich.livejournal.com at 03:56am on 10/04/2015
I'll have to come back later if you like, with more recollections (iPad and stylus are an annoying way to write in volume), but you really were one of the better storytellers in the fandom. I would even read characters I liked less if you wrote them.

I find myself hoping Will and Elizabeth will both be in the 5th movie filming right now - not just Will, but both - because they are both so entertaining against Jack. That was missing in 4, except for 2-3 scenes of Jack and Barbs and Gibbs. Sam Claflin is ok, but he's a much better Finnick than a Turner replacement. :-P

(BTW, did you see the last Hobbit movie and the Legolas overhead sword-throw? We howled.)

The fandom was so good for so long that it was such shock to the system when it went bad. Such dumb things to fight about, and I include myself in that. It did teach me how easy it is to escalate into fandom wank and I've actively avoided similar traps in other fandoms in the many years since - maybe the only good result of it. Everybody should get to have fun and let others do so too.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 12:56am on 11/04/2015
Please feel free to reminisce! I'm trying to track down old favorite fics so I can actually save them, something I managed for Trek but not for PotC. Reading firesignwriter's Moon stories right now, which are forever and always my One True Sparrington.

I'm leery of the storyline for the new one, to be honest. I actually rather liked the romance subplot in the 4th one; it was nowhere near as developed as our movies, but it worked better for me that a lot of the rest. I'm actually still angry with them for killing off Gillette and Groves for no bloody reason. That was such a dick move.

Yeah, I'm not proud of everything that went on at the end, that's for sure. Maybe it was inevitable. But I miss the good days so very, very much.
 
posted by [identity profile] veronica-rich.livejournal.com at 05:32pm on 16/04/2015
I'm not sure how I feel about a fifth movie. I want to kind of dismiss it out of hand, except if it has Will and/or Elizabeth - if it does, I will see it at least once. There was a time it was a magical thing to watch the first one, and even the second and third, as a vehicle for Johnny doing Jack ... except that ever since then, he's done Jack in about every role he's played and it's gotten tiring to watch. There are actors who aren't very gifted who play the same role all the time, but they know it and they take those roles - I know Johnny has the talent and he needs to expand outside of Jack in these non-Jack roles. Does that make sense?

As for fanfic, I don't know if I could go back to writing in POTC. I feel like I hit only a few very specific marks, kinks, whatever, and that's what I was good at at that time and in that fandom. In Red Dwarf, it's different marks and kinks, and I'm getting to the point where I don't think I do those as well anymore either. I go back and re-read some of my POTC stuff from time to time and there's very few stories I like as-is; I get to wanting to change things here and there, or cringe at my phonetic dialogue for Jack and Tia Dalma, for example. Or stuff is too sappy.

And then sometimes I think of what's been lost or gained since fandom that has nothing to do with fandom. I know one person who started writing m/m original fic after writing in POTC, and has sold several novels since because of that. (I may know more, but she's the only one I can think of ATM.) Two friends I immediately recall have died, Diane ([livejournal.com profile] gryphons_lair) and Jo ([livejournal.com profile] yoiebear). A couple have even joined me in RD fandom (well .. not joined "me" but we're in it together). I've retained a few others that we're not in any shared fandoms, we just follow each other on Tumblr, LOL.

I wonder how POTC would have done on Tumblr if it had come along later or Tumblr had been around then? Perhaps it would have hit wank sooner like the Sherlock fandom. :-D
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 12:05am on 19/04/2015
I just read a rumor that Jack Dav might be back. If that's the case, I am way the fuck onboard. I think Orlando has already confirmed, but honestly, I'd rather have neither of them than only one. And that is exactly right about Johnny. He used to be so versatile.

I dunno, I'm having quite a good time editing my old fics. Not in any major way, but just cleaning stuff up, you know? Editing awkward sentences from when I didn't know any better. I've even written a bit. We'll see how it goes.

Have been thinking a lot about Diane and Jo, actually. They're all over fandom archives. I miss them.

If this wave of nostalgia lasts, it might be the final thing that actually gets me on tumblr, if there's anything in the way of PotC fandom.
 
posted by [identity profile] jedilora.livejournal.com at 04:00pm on 10/04/2015
If you finish, I will read with GUSTO. I still love a lot of PotC fic.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 12:52am on 11/04/2015
Aw that's great to hear, thank you!
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 11:58pm on 12/04/2015
LIZZIE! Hi :) Man, I love the idea of Norrington the birdwatcher...

It was one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. I can't wait to go back. And oddly enough, I did take about 15 pictures of a bird that was bathing itself in the surf on the beach - some kind of gull, but not the typical North American seagull.
 
posted by [identity profile] pir8fancier.livejournal.com at 09:10pm on 11/04/2015
I guess my point is...I don't really have a point. I wish we could bring it back, all of it. I want to finish the handful of WIPs that were really important to me (that would be Brothers In Arms, Keeping Faith, and Other Side of the World), and I wish they would actually get read and enjoyed 8-10 years later. I want to be that creative girl who loved a story so fiercely.

Yes, and yes!

You were among the best of the POTC writers (I have recced you many times), and I agree that kayjay's Norrington is THE standard which all Norringtons should be rated.

I think I still have one more chapter to write in the Your Move series. I can't leave it where it is. It bothers me. Far too sad. I've been working on a m/m novel and have just finished it, so maybe it's time to dust off James and Jack and start playing again!
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 12:34am on 13/04/2015
Aww, thank you dear. And I for one would LOVE to see new Your Move!

Nothing in fic has ever broken me quite as much as KJ. "Don't come back. Ever." *whimper*
 
posted by [identity profile] pir8fancier.livejournal.com at 02:29pm on 13/04/2015
"Don't come back. Ever."

I know. Ripped me to shreds.

Maybe we should have a wee little reunion fest. A chance to write another chapter or an ending to those WIPs. What do you think?
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 01:19am on 14/04/2015
I finished it today. Had to have a drink to get through the end, damn.

I would love that, it would be so much fun! I wrote a whole four paragraphs today, too. On LJ? That's still my main fandom space, sparse though it is, though I suppose we could advertise it on tumblr etc...
 
posted by [identity profile] veronica-rich.livejournal.com at 05:10pm on 16/04/2015
If you need a spot to advertise on LJ, you could still use turningpirate as one of the places. It's been dead for a while, but I guess the members are still members, at least. (I'd tell you you could use other communities I mod, except I don't know if I have any others; I think I divested myself of most if not all besides TP a few years ago.)
 
posted by [identity profile] roguedemon.livejournal.com at 10:56pm on 11/04/2015
You were one of the best writers in the fandom. If you finish those stories, I will read and review the shit out of them. :)

It was a really fun fandom. It was very frustrating watching it be ripped apart -- a few toxic people just poisoned the whole group.

I also remember how everyone thought Orlando was going to be a star for a long time, but alas his career died. He was so pretty -- they all were.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 12:36am on 13/04/2015
Aww, thank you! :) I'm going through them to post on AO3 now which is really fun.

Oh, Orlando. I just wish someone could make him a period piece or fantasy epic to star in every year or two, because he's the best at that. Johnny, as much as I love Jack Sparrow, needs to take a step away from the make-up roles :/ But my god, Jack still holds up beautifully. And I always forget how very young Keira was - I think she was only 17 when they filmed the first one.
 
posted by [identity profile] whensheflies.livejournal.com at 02:46am on 13/04/2015
THIS POST ♥

I miss this fandom (and LJ) so damn much. I still have wips that I look at fondly, wishing I could finish and get them read.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 01:20am on 14/04/2015
It can be done - I wrote a whole four paragraphs today :)
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 01:22am on 14/04/2015
FLAGITIOUS <3 It really was so, so wonderful. The Disney trip being a huuuge highlight. I miss everybody so much.

[livejournal.com profile] pir8fancier suggested some kind of reunion fest and I'm seriously considering it...you in?

I also just reread Seamaster :)
 
posted by [identity profile] therumjournals.livejournal.com at 01:42am on 14/04/2015
I discovered PoTC fanfic when I was in grad school in 2008-2009...the fandom was pretty much dead by then, and I didn't even have a livejournal account, but I read ALL the slash. I remember after watching the movies wondering if there was any Will/Jack fic out there...so I started looking...and discovered Sparrington. And was really confused about why that would be a pairing...but then started reading it and was completely hooked. Some of the hottest, best fic I've ever read. I devoured it all - long epics, short PWPs. (Can you tell I miss and am enjoying this little reminiscing session?!) I was obsessed! It wasn't a communal experience for me though, I didn't know anyone in fandom and I was a little too late to connect with anyone on it - but it is what ultimately got me to sign up for an LJ account (and influenced my LJ name), which led to the Star Trek fandom and Trek RPF, which is what led me to write, and that's how I ended up really becoming involved and making RL friends, too.

I remember one weekend while I was in grad school, we actually had a hammock hanging in our apartment, I lay in it for an entire day, drinking a bottle of Sailor Jerry rum, while watching a marathon of all 3 PoTC movies. It was glorious.

Thanks for the memories :-D
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 11:08am on 15/04/2015
You know, I always wondered about your username! :) It really was such a wonderful fandom in the early days. It's still the only time I've ever been able to ship everything (with the exception of Jack/Elizabeth on their own, which became an issue later). Even today, I couldn't say I have a favorite pairing; all the characters are just so GREAT.
 
posted by [identity profile] thalialunacy.livejournal.com at 03:06pm on 14/04/2015
Before you started reposting, I had read maybe two PotC fic. Which is odd because I own all the movies and am very much a fan... but never ventured into fandom. I think because I really ship will/elizabeth (like, I have defended it passionately and vigorously many a time, esp after AWE) and really liked the Norrington character arc, which most people (at least the ones I was around) did not.( God there was so much arguing on [livejournal.com profile] hogwarts_elite about which house we'd put Norrington into, lolol. #nostalgia) And fandom is for subverting/fixing/changing canon, so... yeah. But I will read (nearly) anything by a good author, especially if they're a friend, and what I've read of yours thusfar (as you're aware) I find delightful. :D

And I will be around LJ forever and ever amen. My fandom right now happens to be the SCA, lol, but I still know how to squee with the best of em. :D <3
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 11:16am on 15/04/2015
Aww, I love Will/Elizabeth! I love every pairing, really, except for Jack/Elizabeth...which as you note became a problem. I also thought Norrington's arc was satisfying, and Will/Elizabeth's for that matter; even if they broke my heart, it was a story well told. There was so much dissension, though. The J/E side tended to bash Will, while the W/E side was not entirely gracious about them becoming endgame, and then you had the folks who were solely interested in the Navy aspect who hated Norrington's arc...sigh. The fallout from STID reminded me of it a lot, with the difference that I honestly think the PotC trilogy as a whole is solid (AWE is better than DMC, though) while the criticisms of STID are hard to deny. (I don't like to talk about On Stranger Tides. I'm still mad about Gillette and Groves.) But of course the Star Trek fandom has been around for 50 years, so it keeps on trucking while PotC canon for the original character set is pretty well closed.

But I'm tickled that you're reading along! It's been so much fun revisiting the old stories, tweaking lines here and there. I'm looking forward to tallying up all the word counts at the end, ha. And I did start working on a WIP again. Maybe some kind of reunion fest would work out...
 
posted by [identity profile] roguedemon.livejournal.com at 12:56am on 17/04/2015
I would be happy if Orlando just starred in more films that I could actually watch. Aside from LotR, he hasn't done much in years. I always wanted to see Zulu, which was his last real starring role (I think) but it never premiered in the States. And sadly, Johnny Depp appears to be struggling with personal issues, and hopefully he will be able to get the help he needs and maybe take a break and reinvent himself.

Keira has done very well for herself, I think. And she was so young, it's impressive that she kept it together and carved out the career she wanted. I still stare at her pictures in awe, she is so beautiful.

What is your username on Ao3?
 
posted by [identity profile] roguedemon.livejournal.com at 12:57am on 17/04/2015
Replying to my own comment -- this was supposed to be a reply to your comment, I don't know why it didn't thread properly. Sorry!
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 12:07am on 19/04/2015
Keira is awesome. She's done really well with choosing roles, she has her private life together, and she's been nominated for what, two Oscars? I'm still a big fan. I do wish Orlando would get more work, and that Johnny would revert back to the wide range of roles he used to have - he's so talented, but he hasn't been in a good movie in a VERY long time.

It's the_dala on Ao3 also. Come say hi! I've been posting about once a day.
 
posted by [identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com at 03:09am on 23/04/2015
I remember seeing it with my grandparents, now both passed, and my father, thankfully still with me, after a summer camp session I didn't think much of. I'd heard about the movie, and I thought the acting and directing pedigrees sounded good, and I walked out of the theater blown over at how rich the whole thing was. I wanted to do that. Not the movie, precisely, but to make something that deep and fulfilling and rich and tasty. A good story.

I remember how fun the community was, how delightfully things could go with the conversations, and how many good people I met through the common interest. That it was just one movie helped a lot. I've seen it commented that Firefly fans are as dedicated as they are because it's only 14 episodes and a movie. PoTC was just one movie. It was easy to get into things.

I also recall how hard it was for me to get into the conversations. Not for not having access to them; I still remember how hard it was for me to attempt the cadences of the characters, and I know what I wrote suffered for that. So I didn't feel like I had much to contribute. It took a couple more fandoms for me to feel like I could genuinely add to the discourse. And, also, how high the standards were at the time. How far the boundaries were pushed. The movie was narrow, in terms of time - but it went deep. I don't think comparing it to Star Wars would be unkind to either, since they both did what they could to have weight in their worlds and let us know there was more than just what we saw. And that, I loved. Still do.

This remix fic I got of something I wrote directly to Livejournal from a high school classroom - I think it was my econ class, after finishing a test, God bless college towns and their high property taxes to give every classroom a desktop - that contains the best summation ever of Jack:

Jack's grin was smug. "You're not dreaming, mate."

"But how..."

Jack's grin got, if anything, even wider. "Ah. See," he raised a finger, "I'm Captain Jack Sparrow."
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 02:13am on 24/04/2015
I completely get your comments about how rich it was, and the comparision to Star Wars - I was actually just thinking about how much the first Tortuga scene reminds me of Mos Eisley. It's that sense that there is more story behind all the little details you see onscreen; there's nothing that feels throwaway.

And thank you for the link! I'm on a rereading binge.

It was a good fandom. I miss it.
 
posted by [identity profile] hannahrorlove.livejournal.com at 02:18am on 24/04/2015
You won't guess what I found today at a stationary store going out of business: Pirates of the Caribbean bubble bath. Two of these, to be precise. Can I have your mailing address? I don't have a bathtub for the bubbles, but if you do, they're yours next time I can get to a post office.
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posted by [identity profile] the-dala.livejournal.com at 01:34am on 25/04/2015
That is so cool! I would love them if you can't use them. I'll PM you.

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