posted by
the_dala at 09:51pm on 09/04/2015
Dear LJ, I am on a super intense acid flashback trip for Pirates of the Caribbean right now.
Part of this is probably prompted by finally actually visiting the Caribbean. Part of it is not having a lot of active fannish feelings at the moment. Part of it is definitely plain old nostalgia, for PotC fandom and LJ-based fandom both, as they are pretty much equally dead.
But my god, what a ride. It hit me at exactly the right time: I was in college, when the muscle that is the human brain is at its most consistently and rigorously exercised. Going back through my old fic blows my mind; the words just fucking poured out. Sometimes I'd have 10 or 12 or 15 separate fic posts in a single month. We wrote endless stories and beautiful earnest bullshit meta that I still enjoy all these years later. I wrote EVERYTHING, even the one juggernaut pairing I argued against, and the characters who basically functioned as a punchline in the actual script. I mean, Jack and Will and Elizabeth and Norrington - I loved those characters, they became a part of my soul. Norrington's death in AWE - the only thing I can compare it to is when I saw Where the Red Fern Grows as a small child and it was the first time I ever cried over something not directly related to myself. That's how much it hurt.
And the friends I made - that helped me so much when I had trouble making friends IRL. My roommate and I formed an unshakable bond because maybe she was a conservative Christian fundamentalist but we both adored those pirates. It wasn't my first fannish experience, but it was the most singular for sure. Even at its largest it was self-contained, and even with some divided opinions on the sequels, we sure did have a glorious time playing in the sandbox prior to that (and after, even if it wasn't quite the same).
And the movie itself! Remember how Johnny Depp created such a fantastic iconic character despite Disney's doubts, and how great the action was (BOB FUCKING ANDERSON DID THE CHOREOGRAPHY), and how funny and clever and sharp the dialogue was, and how beautiful the seascapes and ships were, and how we all thought Jack Davenport was going to be the Next Big Thing. There was a week in the summer of 2004 when I was writing a fic for a challenge that was an AU reworking of CoBP, and I watched that goddamned movie twenty-two (22) times. In one week. That's not an approximation; I actually counted.
I guess my point is...I don't really have a point. I wish we could bring it back, all of it. I want to finish the handful of WIPs that were really important to me (that would be Brothers In Arms, Keeping Faith, and Other Side of the World), and I wish they would actually get read and enjoyed 8-10 years later. I want to be that creative girl who loved a story so fiercely.
If you are still there, PotC fans, feel free to share your memories and your fic recs.
Part of this is probably prompted by finally actually visiting the Caribbean. Part of it is not having a lot of active fannish feelings at the moment. Part of it is definitely plain old nostalgia, for PotC fandom and LJ-based fandom both, as they are pretty much equally dead.
But my god, what a ride. It hit me at exactly the right time: I was in college, when the muscle that is the human brain is at its most consistently and rigorously exercised. Going back through my old fic blows my mind; the words just fucking poured out. Sometimes I'd have 10 or 12 or 15 separate fic posts in a single month. We wrote endless stories and beautiful earnest bullshit meta that I still enjoy all these years later. I wrote EVERYTHING, even the one juggernaut pairing I argued against, and the characters who basically functioned as a punchline in the actual script. I mean, Jack and Will and Elizabeth and Norrington - I loved those characters, they became a part of my soul. Norrington's death in AWE - the only thing I can compare it to is when I saw Where the Red Fern Grows as a small child and it was the first time I ever cried over something not directly related to myself. That's how much it hurt.
And the friends I made - that helped me so much when I had trouble making friends IRL. My roommate and I formed an unshakable bond because maybe she was a conservative Christian fundamentalist but we both adored those pirates. It wasn't my first fannish experience, but it was the most singular for sure. Even at its largest it was self-contained, and even with some divided opinions on the sequels, we sure did have a glorious time playing in the sandbox prior to that (and after, even if it wasn't quite the same).
And the movie itself! Remember how Johnny Depp created such a fantastic iconic character despite Disney's doubts, and how great the action was (BOB FUCKING ANDERSON DID THE CHOREOGRAPHY), and how funny and clever and sharp the dialogue was, and how beautiful the seascapes and ships were, and how we all thought Jack Davenport was going to be the Next Big Thing. There was a week in the summer of 2004 when I was writing a fic for a challenge that was an AU reworking of CoBP, and I watched that goddamned movie twenty-two (22) times. In one week. That's not an approximation; I actually counted.
I guess my point is...I don't really have a point. I wish we could bring it back, all of it. I want to finish the handful of WIPs that were really important to me (that would be Brothers In Arms, Keeping Faith, and Other Side of the World), and I wish they would actually get read and enjoyed 8-10 years later. I want to be that creative girl who loved a story so fiercely.
If you are still there, PotC fans, feel free to share your memories and your fic recs.
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I find myself hoping Will and Elizabeth will both be in the 5th movie filming right now - not just Will, but both - because they are both so entertaining against Jack. That was missing in 4, except for 2-3 scenes of Jack and Barbs and Gibbs. Sam Claflin is ok, but he's a much better Finnick than a Turner replacement. :-P
(BTW, did you see the last Hobbit movie and the Legolas overhead sword-throw? We howled.)
The fandom was so good for so long that it was such shock to the system when it went bad. Such dumb things to fight about, and I include myself in that. It did teach me how easy it is to escalate into fandom wank and I've actively avoided similar traps in other fandoms in the many years since - maybe the only good result of it. Everybody should get to have fun and let others do so too.
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I'm leery of the storyline for the new one, to be honest. I actually rather liked the romance subplot in the 4th one; it was nowhere near as developed as our movies, but it worked better for me that a lot of the rest. I'm actually still angry with them for killing off Gillette and Groves for no bloody reason. That was such a dick move.
Yeah, I'm not proud of everything that went on at the end, that's for sure. Maybe it was inevitable. But I miss the good days so very, very much.
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As for fanfic, I don't know if I could go back to writing in POTC. I feel like I hit only a few very specific marks, kinks, whatever, and that's what I was good at at that time and in that fandom. In Red Dwarf, it's different marks and kinks, and I'm getting to the point where I don't think I do those as well anymore either. I go back and re-read some of my POTC stuff from time to time and there's very few stories I like as-is; I get to wanting to change things here and there, or cringe at my phonetic dialogue for Jack and Tia Dalma, for example. Or stuff is too sappy.
And then sometimes I think of what's been lost or gained since fandom that has nothing to do with fandom. I know one person who started writing m/m original fic after writing in POTC, and has sold several novels since because of that. (I may know more, but she's the only one I can think of ATM.) Two friends I immediately recall have died, Diane (
I wonder how POTC would have done on Tumblr if it had come along later or Tumblr had been around then? Perhaps it would have hit wank sooner like the Sherlock fandom. :-D
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I dunno, I'm having quite a good time editing my old fics. Not in any major way, but just cleaning stuff up, you know? Editing awkward sentences from when I didn't know any better. I've even written a bit. We'll see how it goes.
Have been thinking a lot about Diane and Jo, actually. They're all over fandom archives. I miss them.
If this wave of nostalgia lasts, it might be the final thing that actually gets me on tumblr, if there's anything in the way of PotC fandom.
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It was one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. I can't wait to go back. And oddly enough, I did take about 15 pictures of a bird that was bathing itself in the surf on the beach - some kind of gull, but not the typical North American seagull.
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Yes, and yes!
You were among the best of the POTC writers (I have recced you many times), and I agree that kayjay's Norrington is THE standard which all Norringtons should be rated.
I think I still have one more chapter to write in the Your Move series. I can't leave it where it is. It bothers me. Far too sad. I've been working on a m/m novel and have just finished it, so maybe it's time to dust off James and Jack and start playing again!
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Nothing in fic has ever broken me quite as much as KJ. "Don't come back. Ever." *whimper*
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I know. Ripped me to shreds.
Maybe we should have a wee little reunion fest. A chance to write another chapter or an ending to those WIPs. What do you think?
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I would love that, it would be so much fun! I wrote a whole four paragraphs today, too. On LJ? That's still my main fandom space, sparse though it is, though I suppose we could advertise it on tumblr etc...
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It was a really fun fandom. It was very frustrating watching it be ripped apart -- a few toxic people just poisoned the whole group.
I also remember how everyone thought Orlando was going to be a star for a long time, but alas his career died. He was so pretty -- they all were.
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Oh, Orlando. I just wish someone could make him a period piece or fantasy epic to star in every year or two, because he's the best at that. Johnny, as much as I love Jack Sparrow, needs to take a step away from the make-up roles :/ But my god, Jack still holds up beautifully. And I always forget how very young Keira was - I think she was only 17 when they filmed the first one.
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I miss this fandom (and LJ) so damn much. I still have wips that I look at fondly, wishing I could finish and get them read.
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I also just reread Seamaster :)
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I remember one weekend while I was in grad school, we actually had a hammock hanging in our apartment, I lay in it for an entire day, drinking a bottle of Sailor Jerry rum, while watching a marathon of all 3 PoTC movies. It was glorious.
Thanks for the memories :-D
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And I will be around LJ forever and ever amen. My fandom right now happens to be the SCA, lol, but I still know how to squee with the best of em. :D <3
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But I'm tickled that you're reading along! It's been so much fun revisiting the old stories, tweaking lines here and there. I'm looking forward to tallying up all the word counts at the end, ha. And I did start working on a WIP again. Maybe some kind of reunion fest would work out...
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Keira has done very well for herself, I think. And she was so young, it's impressive that she kept it together and carved out the career she wanted. I still stare at her pictures in awe, she is so beautiful.
What is your username on Ao3?
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It's the_dala on Ao3 also. Come say hi! I've been posting about once a day.
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I remember how fun the community was, how delightfully things could go with the conversations, and how many good people I met through the common interest. That it was just one movie helped a lot. I've seen it commented that Firefly fans are as dedicated as they are because it's only 14 episodes and a movie. PoTC was just one movie. It was easy to get into things.
I also recall how hard it was for me to get into the conversations. Not for not having access to them; I still remember how hard it was for me to attempt the cadences of the characters, and I know what I wrote suffered for that. So I didn't feel like I had much to contribute. It took a couple more fandoms for me to feel like I could genuinely add to the discourse. And, also, how high the standards were at the time. How far the boundaries were pushed. The movie was narrow, in terms of time - but it went deep. I don't think comparing it to Star Wars would be unkind to either, since they both did what they could to have weight in their worlds and let us know there was more than just what we saw. And that, I loved. Still do.
This remix fic I got of something I wrote directly to Livejournal from a high school classroom - I think it was my econ class, after finishing a test, God bless college towns and their high property taxes to give every classroom a desktop - that contains the best summation ever of Jack:
Jack's grin was smug. "You're not dreaming, mate."
"But how..."
Jack's grin got, if anything, even wider. "Ah. See," he raised a finger, "I'm Captain Jack Sparrow."
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And thank you for the link! I'm on a rereading binge.
It was a good fandom. I miss it.
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